Oh yes. I was in a fail group on the 5-man a couple of weeks ago with a DK tank that was in the mid 20k with HP. But it was my fault when we failed. Uh huh. Riiiiight. And then people whine that it's too hard. It's like, dude, we're getting Ulduar-level gear! We shouldn't be able to just faceroll through it!