thistlechaser | It's discrimination if you don't want cancer...

The county I live in is going to start to license stores that want to sell tobacco. $400 for the license, then $200 per year after that. The funds will be used to help keep minors from having access to tobacco.

The morning news did interviews with stores selling cigarettes. One said "This is discrimination! We're a minority! This is a hate crime!"

Persecution, ur doin it wrong.

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Also, a small MMO note. I realized something, WoW is mirroring FFXI when it comes to expansions. Both had their best one (FFXI's ToAU, WoW's WotLK), followed by one that changed the world (WotG, Cata). FFXI's went back in time to a war-destroyed world, WoW's went forward in time to a dragon-destroyed world.

I bet I was the only player sad to see the new login screen this morning. Come back, Arthas! You're much sexier than a silly dragon with an ugly jaw and an annoying voice!

It's really hard to take Deathwing seriously as a bad guy. He looks silly. He sounds like a whiny kid. Maybe once we kill him, the Lich King can raise him as a cool frost wyrm. :P

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I can't take deathwing seriously for some reason either. Maybe it's just the convenience of the whole thing. It's probably the same reason I've had a hard time placing someone as the bad guy in WotG. I mean, he just decides to come up with the intent to destroy everything, so he bursts forth and starts fucking shit up. Which does what? Makes the zones changes, some new harder zones show up to help us level, and introduces 2 new races that can help to beat him. Then what does he do? Goes and chills out in his secret lair and waits for us to go get him.

Deathwing needs to get his hands on the evil overlords list (http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html) I think... World destruction, you're doing it wrong!

Maybe it's just the convenience of the whole thing.

I think that's a big part of it. He's not a good plot element, but he's a good WoW element.

Then what does he do? Goes and chills out in his secret lair and waits for us to go get him.

He's a bad character, but a good WoW character. *points at my reply to Achi* He's all evil. He's got no grey, it's just a black/white thing. That's boring. Lich King? Not black/white, thus a lot more interesting. (Though it took us time to find that out, didn't it? Maybe it'll turn out that Deathwing is actually a kitten deep down inside!)

Wasn't the final result of all the Lich King quests in Icecrown that, no, he actually was just all evil? I seem to recall doing any number of quests where attempts to find any good left in him turned up negative.

Even the whole "Without Arthas the Scourge is more dangerous" resolution to the whole thing is more "Arthas is obsessed with being a king, and is thus organizing the Scourge in a way that actually makes them LESS effective rather than just setting them loose to eat everyone."

I'm not sure I did all the quests... and if I did, I probably didn't read them! D: (I rarely, rarely read the quest text.)

If "Arthas is obsessed with being a king, and is thus organizing the Scourge in a way that actually makes them LESS effective rather than just setting them loose to eat everyone." is correct, I still have a lot less issue with it than with Deathwing. At least Arthas has a reason for doing it, a relatable desire for power. Deathwing is boring. "Ho hum hum, I think I'll destroy the world today. Tomorrow we can go out for burgers!" :P

Maybe I'm missing something. Does Deathwing have a reason for wanting to destroy the world? (Is he able to reason at all?)

The Elder Gods drove him nuts, basically. He's the Earth Aspect (like Malygos is the Magic Aspect, Alexstraza is the Life Aspect, etc), thus he's kinda the avatar of physical existence. Since he's been driven mad, he now reasons that nothing at all should exist without his say-so. This has eventually given way to 'nothing at all should exist'. He previously tried to enslave all the other Dragon Aspects in order to re-write existence itself into a form he preferred. It didn't work out so well. So now he's gonna kill everyone who would get in the way and then take his time recreating things.

He mostly tried to enslave Red and Green (Because he totally wanted to rape their aspects. =o Yeah.). He mostly destroyed Blue.

All four aspects teamed up against Deathwing after Rhonin's destruction of the Demon Soul. After that, Deathwing his in Deepholm, regaining his strength for his return. Which is now.

I swear they came up with this whole storyline over a game of risk.

So now he's gonna kill everyone who would get in the way and then take his time recreating things.

Hmm, okay. Well, that's better than killing everyone for no reason at all!

I actually JUST did this quest on my mage yesterday. It starts with the quest that you ignite the bomb that sends you under Icecrown Citadel and find Arthas's Frozen Heart.

The final part of that chain (Tirion's Gambit) ends with Tirion destroying the heart after he officially decides that Arthas has no humanity left.

I'm inclined to disagree though, at the end of the Fall of the Lich King video, I think that with Frostmourne broken and the Helm of Domination removed, that he became a bit more human. He seemed happy that it was over, in my opinion.

Or maybe it's just because he was dying.

Definitely open to interpretation. I read him in the Fall cinematic as being a bit bitter about the whole thing ("I see only darkness before me"), but he does also seem somewhat relieved.

But yeah, it was the whole "tore out his own heart" quest that tries to cement him as wholly evil. It goes with the premise of maybe he got rid of the heart because it contains his conscience or whatever, but finally ends up with "No, he tore it out because getting stabbed in the heart just sucks, and thus removing it means they can't stab it."

It's funny because when Tirion destroyed it, it hurt him. XD He had like 28M health when he enters the Cathedral of Darkness, and the destruction of the heart took him to like 8M.

Fun fact: If you don't escape through the gate at the end of that quest, you will die. The combat log will say "The Lich King's Fury instantly kills (character)."

Fun fact #2: Ice Block totally absorbs it. It still says you were instantly killed, but you aren't.

Yeah, I lagged and got smited before I could get to the portal :D

See, Arthas was right, getting stabbed in the heart does suck pretty bad. He just didn't hide it very well. I just thought it was an amusing subversion of expectations that finding the Lich King's discarded heart eventually ended up being basically pointless ;)

Not really, I knew the whole time that Arthas/Lich King wasn't purely evil. Or rather, to state more correctly, the Lich King was evil, but the part of Arthas that hadn't been destroyed yet was holding him back from pulling a deathwing, but replace fire, with scourge.

Although that would be great, Deathwing turns out to be a fuzzy (yet fairly evil) kitten and Garrosh has a soft spot for kittens and take him home, or something ridiculous like that. That's way more interesting then "You beat deathwing, the elements are not under control again, grats newbs!"

Deathwing turns out to be a fuzzy (yet fairly evil) kitten and Garrosh has a soft spot for kittens and take him home,

And a million slash fanfics were born!

Actually, he doesn't go and chill in his lair waiting for us to come get him. He's going to be randomly attacking zones and killing everyone in them until he's killed for the first time on a server. There's even an achievement for getting killed by him (Stood in the Fire).

Ok that's slightly better then just chilling in his secret lair, but still not evil enough. I knew about the Feat of Strength by dying in the fire but I didn't know he was staying out until he gets killed for the first time, I thought it was just a prelaunch thing that would end on or around the 7th,

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