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thistlechaser ([personal profile] thistlechaser) wrote2014-05-23 09:18 pm
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Kindle: Day One / RP!

When I returned home from work, my new Kindle was waiting at my door. Same with the previous Kindle: They just left it at the door, in a public walkway, where anyone could have just walked off with it without notice. Luckily no one did.

In the first moments of using it, I was very unhappy: None of my books had cover images and it was slow as hell to use. Turned out the slow part was the cause of and because of the lack of covers, and soon both issues were fixed. (It had to download 100+ covers, and apparently downloading so much made everything slow.)

My first reaction was that it was cool that it was so small.
My second reaction was that it would be a problem that it's so small.

Unfortunately small ereader means a small screen (duh). I like to keep the text big in an effort to go easy on my eyes, but just using the second largest text size (which is smaller than what I use on my iPad), and I get very little text per page. The largest size is bigger than I need -- luckily, as then you get just a tiny bit of text per page. It's just too bad the second largest is too small.

The other issue is that, unfortunately but understandably, the Kindle feels really, really cheap compared to my iPad. However, as one was $700+ and the other about $150, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. The touch screen doesn't work nearly so well (with the iPad, it's like you're moving it with your brain because it's so responsive), plus even when not downloading something, the Kindle is noticeably slow. Not like AOL dial up slow, but things like my computer, phone, and iPad respond instantly to a tap or a command, there's a slight delay on the Kindle. The delay plus the less responsive touch screen makes it frustrating to use.

Another issue is that it's all black and white. I know it's not reasonable, but I wish sellers would list things an item doesn't have -- like I wouldn't have bought that first Kindle if I had known it didn't have a touchscreen. Color only comes into play when looking at the covers/picking a new book, but it's depressing to not have it.

However, this is only my first day using it. I'm going to finish at least my current book on it (probably the next one as well) to give me a chance to get used to it. Maybe I'll stop noticing the issues. (And speaking of not noticing things, the built-in ads only bugged me once today, with that was with lots of use and playing around with it. I'm pretty sure they won't be an issue.)

Positives to it? It's smaller and lighter, though when using it at home, the iPad's size and weight aren't an issue (away from home is a different story). I can't really think of any other positives other than "It's cool" (though a lot less cool than it would be if it had color...).

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And on RP! Eeeee! I RPed all night and it was wonderful! I haven't RPed so long and with so many people since... I don't know, sometime back in WoW? Usually scenes with lots of people are rough, but mostly the group broke into smaller conversations with new people coming and going through the evening. I love playing a social butterfly character -- it makes it so easy to ICly meet new people and take part in scenes!

RP seems to go on all day and all night, so I think I'm going to be able to go back to playing daily. So happy! :D And oddly for a large group of RPers on a MMO, no one was bad! I think the worst RPer I encountered today was still at "pretty good" level.

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I'm loving the current book I'm reading, and the Kindle tells me I'll finish it in about three hours of reading (okay, cool feature there!), so in the next day or two I'll post the review for it. If I don't get to it before Monday, have a good long weekend, all! (Unless you're not in America. In that case, have a good normal weekend, all!)

[identity profile] lokyst.livejournal.com 2014-05-24 09:07 am (UTC)(link)
Where the Kindle shines is when reading in daylight.

dOxxxicle was briefly contemplating getting a Kindle, but I apparently know him better than he knows himself and persuaded him to check it out in person before buying.

[identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com 2014-05-24 03:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I used to read in my car all the time, but then I stopped taking a lunch break and that ended. Maybe I need to go back to doing that so I can test it out in daylight! Heh.

Checking it out in person would make a whole lot of difference. All the issues I've spotted now? I would have seen them all ahead of time and it likely would have stopped me from buying it. You are a wise spouse! :D

[identity profile] indigo-forest.livejournal.com 2014-05-24 01:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I have a nook, but I use my ipad mini for reading. Perfect size and love the color :-)

[identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com 2014-05-24 03:44 pm (UTC)(link)
What color did you get? I thought briefly about picking a purple one, but I ended up staying with basic black.

[identity profile] indigo-forest.livejournal.com 2014-05-24 04:04 pm (UTC)(link)
the iPad mini comes in white and black.. got it in white. The nook is a simple touch.. actually I dunno where it is and the battery is dead since I haven't used it in a year. LOL
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[identity profile] al-zorra.livejournal.com 2014-05-24 06:20 pm (UTC)(link)
I got an e-reader (Kobe) for Christmas. I HATED IT. I hated it so much I got the giver to send it back and get a refund.

It seems to me, at least, that instead of sinking into the reading experience, the reader spends all of her time trying to get things positioned correctly, the right size, trying to do that frackin' swipe thang, etc. etc. etc. No concentration here. The "page" was way too small -- one would be trying to "turn" the page every paragraphy at least. Also holding it felt all wrong and clumsy and uncomfortable.

It would be so nice to have an electronic device that had a decent display and easy operation to have a few books on for travel and so on, but e-readers aren't it. From, granted only my own experience, I can't figure out why people are so in love with their e-readers.

Plus they're entirely useless for research materials, maps, and all the rest. And most of my reading by about 99.9% is histories and related materials.

Love, C.

[identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com 2014-05-24 08:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, iPad addresses most of those issues. The interface is so easy that it takes no thought at all -- there's never a "mis-swipe" where you can't get the page to turn on the first try. The screen is big and high quality, nice sharp images. If you could find one to test out, you should. You might like it! :)
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[identity profile] al-zorra.livejournal.com 2014-05-24 09:09 pm (UTC)(link)
But aren't iPads essentially extra large iPhones, and now that the phones are getting bigger again, aren't iPads on their way out?

I never could figure out what a tablet was really good for in the first place, other than a sort of dedicated entertainment center? They're too small to do real work on.

As my budget determines most things, I can't have something as expensive as an iPad for reading fiction only!

Love, C.
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[identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com 2014-05-24 09:47 pm (UTC)(link)
While I do have an iPhone, I don't do much of anything with it other than make calls and text, so I'm not sure how the two compare. To me, the iPad is a lot closer to a computer than to a smart phone.

I think even a big phone will always be smaller than an ereader (or at least the two Kindles I have), and my ipad is about... 5? 6? times the size of the Kindle, so it's really a big difference in size.

And that makes sense! When I originally got the iPad, I had intended to do a whole lot more with it than read.
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[personal profile] hamsterwoman 2014-05-24 06:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Can't comment on the touchscreen thing, since I went for one without a touchscreen on purpose (I don't like them). Mine does get a tiny bit laggy, but it's comparable to turning a page/shifting a paper book, so it doesn't bother me.

With the non-touchscreen page turn, the first couple of days I found it annoying to have to turn the page more often than I would in a paperback, because of the smaller screen (even with the mid-range text size I use), but it became automatic very quickly, so that when I have to scroll back to something I "just read", I'm always surprised how many page-turns ago that was, because it sort of becomes seamless. Not sure if it works the same with the touchscreen page-turn, though...

I never even look at covers anymore, because they just don't look right in b&w. I've never actually used the Kindle to "browse" for books -- only buy books I already knew I was planning to read.

That said, I most heavily use the Kindle for reading during my public transit commute and when traveling, so size/weight and battery life trump the little bit of a lag and lack of color.

(BTW, not sure if your local library has the Overdrive link, but library books on Kindle was the thing that tipped me over into finally getting an eReader. The selection is still not stellar, though a lot better than it was 2.5 years ago when I bought mine, but it's really great to have the convenience of a library without any of the inconveniences -- no having to actually schlep out there to pick up/return books, no late fees.)

[identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com 2014-05-24 09:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I suspect (though I'm not certain and I hope that I'm wrong), that the Kindle might go on a shelf unless I have to take it out of the house, too. It is perfect for taking with you and reading it elsewhere.

My library does! I need to check out the selection again. Though, and here's another feature I forgot about: since I have Amazon Prime, I can "borrow" lots of books from Amazon. That doesn't work with the Kindle app, just the Kindle itself.

You're right about the page thing. I get about two paragraphs per page, and when I had to check something I reread, I couldn't believe how many pages back it was.
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[personal profile] hamsterwoman 2014-05-25 05:04 am (UTC)(link)
since I have Amazon Prime, I can "borrow" lots of books from Amazon

Oh, right, I keep forgetting that's a thing! (I don't have Amazon Prime, but ever so often I think about getting it, and that's one of the considerations.)

Do you read via a Kindle app on your iPad? Supposedly it can synch up across devices, so that maybe you could browse for the color and other advantages on the tablet but use the Kindle for more extended reading, if the backlit screen of the iPad is hard on the eyes?

[identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com 2014-05-25 05:13 am (UTC)(link)
I used to recommend Prime all the time, but I can't anymore. They raised the price by $20, but made a big change to the free shipping. For big, expensive items, you can still get it in two days, but sometimes that two days can actually be multiple weeks. Seems like the two day idea is more of a sometimes-goal than a real thing now. More than that, if the item isn't big (say, $30 or less), you only get free shipping for it when you buy $25 worth of other stuff. It's pretty frustrating. I won't be renewing mine when it expires.

Yep, I use the Kindle app on my iPad. If I stick with the Kindle, that's a good idea! The longer I use it though, the less likely it seems I'll keep using it. I read a lot less than usual today, but I have more eye strain than usual. I'm going to switch to the biggest font (even though it is bigger than I'd like) and see if I can read that way.
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[personal profile] hamsterwoman 2014-05-25 05:28 am (UTC)(link)
I didn't realize they'd changed the terms for Prime -- that doesn't sound nearly so attractive :/ Prime doesn't offer anything I really *need* -- I don't watch enough TV shows to justify it based on the streaming video, and if it exists in eBook form, I can probably just wait for it to become available at the library to check out if I don't care sufficiently to just buy it outright, so the free, fast shipping would be the legitimate justification, and sounds like they've weakened that very significantly. Oh well, less of my money going to Amazon, I guess :P

Sorry to hear about the eyestrain! I have the old, pre-Paperwhite screen, which to me feels as easy on the eyes as a paper book, but I've wondered about how the new screen compares for glare -- it's one of the reasons I'm hoping my present Kindle lasts, b/c a lot of the changes that have been made since that model I don't think I would consider improvements...

[identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com 2014-05-25 04:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Turns out I was wrong about the text size. I had it on third biggest, not second, so I bumped it up to second largest. Much easier on my eyes, but now it's like a paragraph and a half of text per page. :/

I always forget about Prime's streaming video. I think I've used it once ever, in the years I've had it.

It's really a shame Prime changed. For years, I've done the vast majority of my shopping there, but now I'm going to have to do more in person. The free shipping was what made it such a good alternative.
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[personal profile] hamsterwoman 2014-05-25 06:58 pm (UTC)(link)
You've probably already tried this, but I found that I could read smaller text more easily/with no strain if I increased the spacing between the lines / otherwise fiddled with the white space settings.

Amazon's non-express shipping is still pretty good (and mostly we just go for that). My brother swears by Google's new shopping thing, but then, he would :P Still, they really do seem to do same-day delivery (free for now, though ultimately they'll be charging for it, I think), and F claims their return policies are flexible, too.

[identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com 2014-05-26 04:59 am (UTC)(link)
I heard about the new shopping thing. The groceries, right? They don't have it in this area yet. Seems a little odd, since a bunch of other companies tried it and failed, but maybe Amazon already has the warehouses for it...

They have another new grocery thing. For $9.99-ish you can fill a box with products and get it shipped at once. They assign points to each thing, like dishwasher soap is 2 points and a big container of napkins might be 2 as well, a bar of soap is 1. You get X number of points per box (based on size instead of weight, I think). Didn't seem like a value to me, but was interesting.
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[personal profile] hamsterwoman 2014-05-26 05:14 am (UTC)(link)
Google Shopping Express is apparently not just for groceries -- my brother bought a bunch of stuff from Target and Costco, household things like a microwave and floorlamps, camping goods, etc.. (My parents' stairwell is now full of the boxes with the parachute logo XD) I guess the free same-day delivery is a 6 months trial, but I'm not sure how it's supposed to work after that...

I don't know why they think this'll work as a business plan, except that it seems that Google has enough money that they could be just paving the streets with dollar bills and this is a more efficient use of it? But we'll see. I admit the same-day delivery thing has been pretty impressive!

Huh, I haven't heard of the box-by-points thing, and I don't really get how this would work better than just having groceries delivered the normal way, but it's neat to see what-all people come up with.

[identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com 2014-05-26 05:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh oops! I misread your last comment, I thought it was about Amazon, not Google.

Yeah, that Google shopping thing is crazy! I see their cars all the time around here (they were in my apartment complex twice that I saw last week).

I think you're right, Google probably has just too much money, so can toss it at wacky stuff like this and see if it works.

[identity profile] tersa.livejournal.com 2014-05-27 04:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, yeah, it is a much bigger size difference from an iPad, but I like the Paperwhite because it's sized more along the lines of a trade paperback than a coffee table book. :P It's a great size to fit in a smaller purse and causes less strain on your hands and wrists to hold it.

And yeah, no color. eInk can't do it. You can only get color right now on backlit tablet-like things, like the iPad, the Kindle Fire, or Nook Color. If you really need pretty colored covers to buy a book, I'd suggest doing so at the Amazon webpage rather than via the Kindle itself. :)

If you're having to put the text up to the second largest font size, have you checked with your eye doctor about getting bifocals or reading glasses?

I'm sorry you had such a negative initial reaction to it, but I'd suggest sticking with it for a while if for no other reason than the eye strain issue. Give it some time to see if you start to notice yourself feeling less eye strain the longer you use it versus the iPad (and no cheating! or it'll negate the experiment results).

[identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com 2014-05-27 04:57 pm (UTC)(link)
It's not a horribly negative initial reaction, other than the font size. (Which, okay, is kind of important. :P ) I love how it feels to hold it, especially with the official case on it. The size and the weight are perfect. It just feels nice to hold it and use it. The smoothness of the plastic and the leather of the case. I wish the touchscreen were more responsive, but I'm getting used to it.

And yep, I don't even have the iPad anywhere near where I read. I want to use just the Kindle for at least my current book and next one, see how it goes.

Someone else commented with a good suggestion -- you can increase the spacing between lines (the whitespace), and that seems to have helped a good deal. I'm using that third largest font, which gives me a reasonable amount of text per page.

I actually do have reading glasses, I just haven't seen them in a couple years. I'm going to see if I can hunt them down, because I'm sure they'd help with this.