Bacon popcorn and more realistic RP
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thistlechaserI read a lot about bacon popcorn before attempting it. So many rave reviews on it. The most negative reviews said "it's okay but I like plain better". There may be something wrong with me then, because I hated it. It smelled good while cooking (like bacon!), but it was seriously nasty to eat.
I'm actually glad I didn't like it, because I don't want to have to make bacon just to get bacon fat to use. Plus, I really don't like the idea of eating extra bacon fat...
And on RP, I was thinking while driving home. What if Azeroth were more realistic, more like RL? Shouldn't things that apply to two groups at war RL hold true for the Horde/Alliance war?
We mock RPers who play mixed-race characters, but in truth I think they should be more common...
Especially the last couple weeks, there have been countless news stories about war and rape, about rape being another tool used in war.
Picture a "level 85" (ICly some top of the line fighter) wandering into one of those low level towns with a few low level guards. OOCly, all that person could do would be to kill the guards, but if everything in the game were IC/realistic?
Horde/Alliance troops (PCs) aren't like US soldiers for the most part, I'd hardly even call them mercenaries. If "terrorist" wasn't currently such a weighted word, I'd use that instead. Brief fights as the opportunity arrives. Rare attacks on the main cities.
Undisciplined as the troops are, and more importantly not seeing the other side as human (er, people), you'd think a lot of such bad stuff would go on. Rapes, homes burnt, low level vendors would have their stuff stolen all the time.
So the point of this is, assuming the races can interbreed (which there is evidence for, yes?) we should actually be seeing more mixed race RP characters. I wonder why they're looked down on so mercilessly? Because they're not common in-game?
Blah, that popcorn gave me a stomach ache.
I'm actually glad I didn't like it, because I don't want to have to make bacon just to get bacon fat to use. Plus, I really don't like the idea of eating extra bacon fat...
And on RP, I was thinking while driving home. What if Azeroth were more realistic, more like RL? Shouldn't things that apply to two groups at war RL hold true for the Horde/Alliance war?
We mock RPers who play mixed-race characters, but in truth I think they should be more common...
Especially the last couple weeks, there have been countless news stories about war and rape, about rape being another tool used in war.
Picture a "level 85" (ICly some top of the line fighter) wandering into one of those low level towns with a few low level guards. OOCly, all that person could do would be to kill the guards, but if everything in the game were IC/realistic?
Horde/Alliance troops (PCs) aren't like US soldiers for the most part, I'd hardly even call them mercenaries. If "terrorist" wasn't currently such a weighted word, I'd use that instead. Brief fights as the opportunity arrives. Rare attacks on the main cities.
Undisciplined as the troops are, and more importantly not seeing the other side as human (er, people), you'd think a lot of such bad stuff would go on. Rapes, homes burnt, low level vendors would have their stuff stolen all the time.
So the point of this is, assuming the races can interbreed (which there is evidence for, yes?) we should actually be seeing more mixed race RP characters. I wonder why they're looked down on so mercilessly? Because they're not common in-game?
Blah, that popcorn gave me a stomach ache.
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Date: 2011-07-14 11:46 pm (UTC)Oh you should know this one! Hell I know this one! I present to you Garona Halforcen (http://www.wowwiki.com/Garona) the half-orc half-draenai who was the assassin that killed Varian's father King Llane Wrynn.
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Date: 2011-07-14 11:55 pm (UTC)The birth of Garona was orchestrated by Gul'dan, who "bred" one of his orcish warriors to a draenei female (which in itself implies rape).
However the rest reads like really bad RP.
The result was a child that, as it would be discovered later, looked surprisingly human. Gul'dan had her magically aged and tortured, [5] later also placing controls on her mind to ensure obedience.
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Date: 2011-07-15 12:23 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-07-15 12:25 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-07-15 12:28 am (UTC)"...and then his girlfriend dumped him, so he killed an entire town and became evil. But she still loved him. But she really loved this orc guy as well." (writing it out that way I realized that the Jaina/Arthas/Thrall thing seems way too twilightly for me...)
Plus Gul'dan has his seat secured in the League of Doom so what would you expect? He's like a Scooby Doo villain.
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Date: 2011-07-15 12:30 am (UTC)Bah.
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Date: 2011-07-15 12:35 am (UTC)We have to keep the story line simple, lest the special snowflakes get confused and stop paying attention!
Deathwing r mean dragon and he needs killing! Go mighty champions, we r teh winning teh fight for honorz and lootz!
(In all fairness some of the WoW lore is actually good.)
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Date: 2011-07-15 12:41 am (UTC)Ha! Silly. :D
Yeah, I just wish we'd see more (lots more) of the good stuff!
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Date: 2011-07-14 11:51 pm (UTC)Probably because, lore wise, they're viewed as either inferior at best and disgusting monsters at worst.
Other than the dragon who takes a half elf form, and to some degree, half elves, the indications we're given with the few canon orc/draenei is that they're outcasts from both societies.
They're "too orcish" for draenei society and not orcish enough for orc society.
Orcs tend to kill infants who even APPEAR weak, and it's rare that a set of Orcish parents would allow a seemingly weak infant to live as it's a mark of shame to their family (IIRC Thrall's mother was a 'weak' child and her mother was a rarity for keeping her alive, but it was spoken about in hushed tones as though it were something scandalous and embarrassing).
A half breed would likely be viewed as a weakness on the part of the mother (if the mother was an Orc) if it was a case of rape as well. She was "too weak" to fight them off, the pregnancy in and of itself would be shameful, and she'd have an impure and inferior offspring because of it.
Blood Elves and Night Elves (possibly save for the druids, who tend to play nicely with other druids) tend to have fairly racist societies in terms of that sort of thing, and if it did happen, it would either be quietly taken care of or someone would be exiled over it.
So far, Medan aside, the only evidence in game lore supports human/high elf and orc/draenei (since it was revealed that Garona is orc/draenei and not actually human/draenei).
In the case of the Orc mixes, Orc features seem to dominate, so if there were other things mixed with Orc what you'd likely end up with is something that looks like a slightly smaller, slightly thinner, possibly more pale green (but still green) Orc as opposed to, say, "green elf with shorter ears".
Any other combination is a "what if?" and, thus far, doesn't seem to be confirmed as possible officially.
It's not that they're not common in game, it's that they're not common in lore.
Couple that with the fact that many people who play a half-breed character tend to do it as the main character hook and have no other depth or personality for their character other than "LOLHALFIE!" and that they refuse to play out any possible negative consequences that a half-whatever character might face from society at large to the point that they get pissed OOC if someone doesn't treat their ultra-special character with kid gloves.
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Date: 2011-07-15 12:13 am (UTC)Couple that with the fact that many people who play a half-breed character tend to do it as the main character hook and have no other depth or personality for their character other than "LOLHALFIE!" and that they refuse to play out any possible negative consequences
That's the problem with just about everything in WoW RP though. Any trait, any characteristic, and the majority of WoW RPers are going to ignore any negative consequences. (Unless it's "kool", like a scar.)
Orcs killing off the weak seems fitting -- many races wouldn't want to raise the mixed race offsprings, but within every race are individuals and so I could see room for going against the norm. (Shouldn't be common though, for most races.)
Blood Elves and Night Elves (possibly save for the druids, who tend to play nicely with other druids) tend to have fairly racist societies in terms of that sort of thing, and if it did happen, it would either be quietly taken care of or someone would be exiled over it.
At least for blood elves, on WRA it's generally considered that they have magical or potion means to take care of unwanted pregnancies. (Though they do need children... but the value of mixed breed ones would be questionable.)
I wrote: I wonder why they're looked down on so mercilessly?
Your reply: Probably because, lore wise, they're viewed as either inferior at best and disgusting monsters at worst.
I meant just for playing them. Any half-something will likely end up on warcraft sues, even if there's nothing else off about them.
All in all, I think they should very much be outcasts -- that would make them more fun to play! But like you said, most WoW RPers would just stroll around the cities as if they were everyone's bestest friend.
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Date: 2011-07-15 12:14 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-07-15 12:39 am (UTC)Pretty much this. Since I play almost strictly elves, I'll go with their society: Sin'dorei are VERY much a xenophobic society as a whole. They're also a very -noble- society. Impure blood is very highly frowned upon (I think half elves -only- live in human societies? And the only half-elf I've heard of in lore are half-human) and given there's only 9% of their race (taking out the 1% that are High Elves) to reproduce, purity would be even more important.
These half-elf-half-troll ones I see particularly drive me crazy because one: The mother would have to be Elven. No male elf is going to rape a female troll, regardless of 'acts of terror' or whatever and I seriously doubt a female troll is going to force a male elf to have sex with her... And two: Trollish society (Amani) would sooner kill the baby than waste energy caring for it to grow up and the same with Elven society. There's thousands of years of -hatred- there that gets seriously overlooked and bugs the hell out of me.
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Date: 2011-07-15 12:42 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-07-15 12:46 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-07-15 12:44 am (UTC)D: D: D:
That one I'm not okay with. I suppose a really well written story (character, background, whatever) might sell me on it for one person, but... how often do we run into something good enough to explain that in WoW?
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Date: 2011-07-15 01:16 am (UTC)There's:
Half-human/quarter orc/quarter draenei (Med'an)
Half-orc/half-draenei (Garona)
Half-orc/half-ogre (Rexxar)
Half-human/half-high elf (Twins of Veressa Windrunner and Rhonin)
Probably if I put more thought into it, I'd come up with more. Some people before me named some of these, and I actually went looking for a different half-orc/half-ogre before I realized Rexxar was one but that was going to be my one example. =D
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Date: 2011-07-15 01:24 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-07-15 01:26 am (UTC)Okay, there was one.
But there were implied interracial relationships between other races!
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Date: 2011-07-15 02:13 am (UTC)"He's a tripod!" she claimed.
"He'd have to be for you to feel anything!" we snickered.
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Date: 2011-07-15 03:40 am (UTC)Those kinds of couples were unheard of in the WotG areas. Everyone thought that Lilisette was odd because of that.
And if you look at the right websites, there are a ton of Elvaan/Mithra ones!
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Date: 2011-07-15 03:47 am (UTC)Mm yes, I should, um, check and make sure those websites are still online. For the good of everyone!
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