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Last thing I do before bed is check the weather. So tonight I went to weather.com, clicked the 10 day forecast for my area, then blinked.



Showers with a 100% chance of Vietnamese?

I feel bad not knowing what language that is! Based on Googling, it doesn't look to be Chinese, Japanese, or Korean. It doesn't look Vietnamese to my eye, but I'm far from an expert on languages. The whole page was an odd mix of languages:

[My town], [state] (ZIP) Weather
Updated: 三月 12, 2012, 9:45下午

Date: 2012-03-13 05:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] veloxe.livejournal.com
Clearly the foreigners coming to take your jobs.

Looks like your weather will be about equivalent to mine for the next week. Although it's way hotter here then it's supposed to be.

Date: 2012-03-13 02:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com
That's about how warm we should be, but all the rain is very unusual! That's more than we've gotten all year so far. Er, the last 365 days, I mean, not since 1/1/12.

Date: 2012-03-13 05:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] socksofjello.livejournal.com
Looks like Chinese to me. I don't think I see any Japanese kana, and 雨 means rain in both languages' writing systems.

Date: 2012-03-13 06:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mel-redcap.livejournal.com
Yeah, one of the Chinese dialects all right. [/me forcibly restrains herself from going into the Linguistics Lecture about how they aren't really dialects AHEM SORRY]

Date: 2012-03-13 02:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com
Silly me, googling and thinking there was just one Chinese language. I knew better!

Date: 2012-03-13 02:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mel-redcap.livejournal.com
Oh, heh, didn't mean to imply I was pointing the potential Linguistics Lecture at you - I tend to just rant it into midair, whether or not anyone actually needs to hear it. XD

(And I have no idea how to tell the difference between Mandarin and Cantonese, etc etc... I'm actually pretty sure that there is little or no difference in the written language, though immense differences in the spoken, and here I go again SORRY ARGH *hugs and flees*)

Date: 2012-03-13 02:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com
Oh no! I understood, no worries. :) And no need to apologize, it's interesting!

Date: 2012-03-13 03:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mel-redcap.livejournal.com
Well, if you're interested... ;D

One of my Linguistics professors used to say that the difference between a dialect and a language was that the language was backed up by a government, borders, and an army. Thus you get, for example, several Scandinavian languages that are mutually comprehensible - say you have countries lined up like A-B-C-D-E. People in one country can easily understand people from a country that's right next to them, and kind of understand people from the next country along, which means that linguistically speaking, they are not separate languages; they are dialects of one language, or on a gradient from language A to language E. However, the people speaking those languages have national pride (and borders, and armies) and insist that no, they have their OWN language thank you, so culturally they are considered separate.

Chinese is the opposite situation. :) Speakers of Mandarin and Cantonese can't understand each other; they share a lot of vocabulary, but then so do an ancient form of Chinese and Japanese and nobody tries to call those dialects of the same language. ;) They have different pronunciation, different grammatical structure, verbs go in a different place in the sentence and so on. To a linguist, therefore, they are completely separate languages, and each has numerous regional dialects just to complicate matters. Written down, however, they're essentially identical, and they share the government/border/army, so are often - culturally speaking - regarded as two dialects of the same language, which makes linguists wince and mutter things like "Well, not really..."

Date: 2012-03-13 03:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com
Huh, wow, that's interesting. I can see now why that would make you mutter!

Thanks for the info! :D

Date: 2012-03-13 03:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mel-redcap.livejournal.com
I'm always happy to burble on endlessly on any number of subjects I know interesting trivia about. The problem is getting me to stop. ("Oi, shush" usually works, just so you know. XD)

Linguistics is fascinating. Phonetics is like doing logic puzzles with sounds, morphology is the same with bigger clumps of sounds, and don't get me started on how much fun Japanese can be what with three different writing systems and infinite capacity for puns and double- or triple-meanings. (No, seriously, don't get me started or we'll be here all night... 8D)

Date: 2012-03-13 02:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com
Ah! Okay, Chinese it is. Thanks!

Date: 2012-03-14 04:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pure-trance.livejournal.com
Yes this :)

Date: 2012-03-13 07:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mark356.livejournal.com
Definitely Chinese. The second character from the right in the "Tonight" column is a simplified form that is only used in mainland China, never in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan, or Korea. (Also, the lack of Japanese kana means that it cannot be Japanese.)

So the bigger question is, how come your weather forecast is all in Chinese?

Date: 2012-03-13 02:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com
That's interesting to know, thanks!

And that is a darned good question. Maybe I'll get a random language every night, that sure would be entertaining.

Date: 2012-03-13 02:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mel-redcap.livejournal.com
It does say "Special Weather Statement" up near the top... XD
Edited Date: 2012-03-13 02:53 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-03-13 02:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com
... *snickers* Good point!

Date: 2012-03-13 02:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ani-mama.livejournal.com
It is Chinese characters. But many other countries, including Korea, use them too.

三月 means March, for example, pronounced "sam wol" in Korean.

It is pouring rain over here...

Date: 2012-03-13 02:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com
I'm enjoying all the comments I'm getting on this post. So much interesting language stuff!

Is it normal for you guys to be getting rain now? Instead of snow?

Date: 2012-03-13 03:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ani-mama.livejournal.com
It should be snow...we have had a really weird winter this year! Yesterday it was snowing hard, then turned to rain as it got dark. That is the opposite of what usually happens.

Using the same Chinese characters makes it handy to travel in other Asian countries that do the same. Even if I can't pronounce it in the local language, I can usually find the harmless chicken dish in the menu. XD

Date: 2012-03-13 03:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ani-mama.livejournal.com
It should be snow...we have had a really weird winter this year! Yesterday it was snowing hard, then turned to rain as it got dark. That is the opposite of what usually happens.

Using the same Chinese characters makes it handy to travel in other Asian countries that do the same. Even if I can't pronounce it in the local language, I can usually find the harmless chicken dish in the menu and point to it. XD

Date: 2012-03-13 04:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com
Hopefully next winter will be more normal. This week is going to be about our grand total of rain for the last year. It's going to be a dry summer, I'm afraid!

And that's an important skill, when traveling in other countries. :D

Date: 2012-03-13 10:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kaelash.livejournal.com
I think our weather got switched on accident.

Image

Date: 2012-03-13 10:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com
Don't melt! Sheesh! Gimme our weather back!

You can go tanning on some of those days. :P

Date: 2012-03-13 10:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kaelash.livejournal.com
Fuck no, sunlight sucks. *shoves it back to Cali and takes all the rain*

Date: 2012-03-13 10:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com
It's a deal! *fans it your way*

Date: 2012-03-14 04:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pure-trance.livejournal.com
Looks like Chinese to me~

Date: 2012-03-14 04:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com
Yep! I think Chinese is the winner! :D

Date: 2012-03-14 04:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pure-trance.livejournal.com
Now to figure out WHY it's in Chinese lol

Date: 2012-03-14 04:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com
Hmm. It's in English tonight, so no clue there. Maybe Monday night will be Chinese night from now on!

Date: 2012-03-14 04:13 am (UTC)

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