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For the first time since the digging nerf, I didn't go out digging today. It was mostly by choice. Two waves of Besieged were coming, so I decided to do those and then dig after if I had time. But really, there's little reason for me to dig right now. At best I'll dig up gold beastcoins, and I've not been able to sell one in almost two weeks now. Boggle with me: The price on them falls about 1K per two days. I list them, lower them, lower them, lower them... and they never sell. So I make ingots out of them, and wow, the price on those keeps falling and falling. Maybe I should look into making the ingots into chain/thread, but right now I'm just annoyed at the whole thing. Digging hasn't been fun in a long while, so if it's not bringing in money, there's no reason to keep doing it. Money had been my reason for sticking with it this long. (I can't deal with logs or other non-stackables -- no room!)

I've also semi-decided to give up on Besieged, unless I'm bored or need XP on some non-DRK job. I spent 2.5 hours dealing with that tonight (first wave was preparing for more than an hour!), only about 20 minutes of it spent fighting, and for all that time I got a grand total of 800 IS. If only they would turn XP into LP for 75s! I'd totally make an effort to go if they did that.

In sadder news, I've been testing Absorb-TP out the last few days. Never once, not even if my spell lands a few seconds before the mob WSs, have I gotten over 30 TP. Even if the mob WSs 10-15 seconds later, I often get 0 TP from it (not a resisted spell, 0 drained). I get more TP by swinging my weapon instead of spending the time casting. Very, very, very sad. It had been nice to be able to keep up with other melees. Oh well.

There is good news though! My big-nosed bird does not look so ugly when out in the wild! He's actually kind of cute! He's got a lot more "fluffy" feathers around his head than non-digging birds. You can really see the difference when he stands next to a normal bird. I actually kind of like the digging version better!

And lastly, while digging yesterday, I ran into a certain baby HNM in Meri Mountains! I remember when I was a DRK 40 or something around there, I saw him and almost claimed him. LS people warned me off him fast. Heehee.

Date: 2006-10-25 05:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] veri-of-remora.livejournal.com
ugh... the absorb tp "modification" virtually made the spell worthless. i went testing it out on bees out in rolanberry fields and i could calculate just how much tp the mob 'should' have. around 70% i would start casting absorb tp, get about 20ish (pure crap) and the mob would still be able to ws (pure crap x2). before i could absorb around 70 tp.

Date: 2006-10-25 05:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com
Yep, that's exactly what I've been finding. Go go go SE! Keeping the DRKs down and in their place! :P

Date: 2006-10-27 12:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] linmayu.livejournal.com
Well...if they didn't keep screwing DRKs over, what would you have to angst about? *flees*

Date: 2006-10-27 02:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com
Wait, wait. Tell me more about this "screwing DRKs" thing!

Date: 2006-10-27 09:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kamalloy.livejournal.com
Well, she *is* married to one...

Date: 2006-10-27 09:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com
Maybe she'd like more than one~?

Date: 2006-10-25 08:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] southern-hell.livejournal.com
Omigawd I want that choco in green!

Date: 2006-10-25 05:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com
Then you could breed it to a red one and have a Christmas bird!

Date: 2006-10-25 09:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] genomeffxi.livejournal.com
Yeah in the wild the chocobo looks like punono's chocobo (the windy choco NPC taru), not quite as bad.
For gold coins and such, we are all a bit in the same boat i think, i've been using mine instead of selling it, for guild points when I needed etc.
Actually several of the new recipes call for gold, so it might become more scarce soon, for now I just feel better about using it when part of a recipe, and stacks really don't take much space at all in inv. compared to other stuff. There's a few things I will want to make myself HQ+signed (arhat+1 head and body for example), and those use some precious materials like darksteel so I don't mind having a few stacks saved on mules from when I'll attempt signed HQs for myself or for guild points.

The economy in general just seems to be very slow still, not a lot of people buying and selling in general, money and materials don't move hands very much anymore on many things and that's not good...

Sorry to hear about the DRK abs-tp, it sounded like a reasonable tweak to make it dependant on mobs TP, but then it sounds like they nerfed it more down to a very small % of that mob's TP..
I guess SE still has no love for the DRKs, while trying to reward everything "japanese-sounding", like sushi, samurai, ninja... I'm telling you it's a darn conspiracy! >< hehe

Date: 2006-10-25 05:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com
That's a good idea. I could just make them into ingots and then store them... I hate to pin my hopes on a Christmas price increase (the closer we get, the less I feel like it will happen), but if it does, I could offload the ingots then.

The economy in general just seems to be very slow still, not a lot of people buying and selling in general, money and materials don't move hands very much anymore on many things and that's not good...

Very very much so. I wonder if the issue is at least partially that we need more new players? Old players would tend to need to buy less. (If I want to level WAR, I could use a lot of my DRK level cap stuff.) They would also be more likely to be finished leveling crafting, guild turnins, etc...

Sorry to hear about the DRK abs-tp, it sounded like a reasonable tweak to make it dependant on mobs TP, but then it sounds like they nerfed it more down to a very small % of that mob's TP..

I suspect that's what's happening. You get a small percent of the TP they have... if they have any at all. And for some reason, the chance of getting 0 is greatly increased.

I guess SE still has no love for the DRKs, while trying to reward everything "japanese-sounding", like sushi, samurai, ninja... I'm telling you it's a darn conspiracy! >< hehe

*snicker!*

Date: 2006-10-25 06:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] genomeffxi.livejournal.com
I think people are not dumping as much gil in skilling up, especially not on things like skilling gold (besides you and me on those darn mythril ingots of course). A couple people doing some serious skilling could go through huge stacks of materials and make and desynth weapons and sell to NPC a lot more than a new noobish player buying that 1 wax sword and cotton robe to use from level x to level y.

Date: 2006-10-25 08:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com
(besides you and me on those darn mythril ingots of course).

*twitch* Never mention that metal to me again. ;)

But yeah, I suspect people arn't throwing their money around right now, at crafting or other things. While it would make sense to buy things now, while the prices are low*, I feel more comfortable sitting on my cash. Just in case.

*Amusingly, the two things I want to "finish" DRK are actually going up in price. Fast. About 200K every two days for the last many months, roughly.

Date: 2006-10-25 01:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gbeans.livejournal.com
With them changing Absorb-TP and SAM changes... I think they're holding up a big sign and waving it saying "DRK/SAM FTW!" Now, if they've actually tested that as well as they've tested some of their BCs... lol >.>; I know you'll hate me to death for pointing this out.. but the extra attacks from a Brutal Earring and the Store TP from a Rajas Ring wouldn't hurt you if you're worried about your TP gain [runs away]

I need to go back and poke at Waraxe Beak. Cala issued me a "(I) Can, Can (You)" type challenge with that NM and soloing it. I don't think it'd be difficult, just need to remember to go out there and do it...

Date: 2006-10-25 02:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kerai.livejournal.com
Waraxe only has 2 things you really need to look out for:

- Stonega IV
- Breakga/that petrifying TP move

We were trying to figure out if WHM/NIN can solo it (magic def. bonus to cut down on the magic damage and barspells and cures and neither of us have RDM leveled..!) but it really depends on how long petrify sticks. You can probably turn around for the TP move, but breakga is going to stick every so often, and I don't think he silences. If you just remember that he aggros and buff up beforehand, you should be fine. (Bring echo drops too.)

He's super easy to duo though if you have someone with stona.

Date: 2006-10-25 04:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com
Oh, that's good to know! I had thought you needed at least a party of 75s to take him on.

Date: 2006-10-25 03:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] veri-of-remora.livejournal.com
thing is, there's nothing to stop other jobs from wearing the same thing. if it was drk only, then yeah, it would help to close the gap between us and wars/mnks/everythingelse. now absorb-tp isn't even worth the time it takes to cast anymore.

Date: 2006-10-25 04:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com
now absorb-tp isn't even worth the time it takes to cast anymore.

I can get nearly two swings in in the casting time, and if the very most I get from the spell is 30% (with the average being in the single digits, I'd say)... just totally not worth it.

Date: 2006-10-25 04:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com
know you'll hate me to death for pointing this out.. but the extra attacks from a Brutal Earring and the Store TP from a Rajas Ring wouldn't hurt you if you're worried about your TP gain

It's not so much that I'm worried about my TP gain (see my other comment below) as I'm sad that things are now as they used to be. For a short time we got to see what it was like to be able to nearly keep up with the TP gain of other melees, and then that was taken away. Look at it this way: If a family is dirt poor, and for a week you let them live like upper middleclass families, then at the end you make them poor again, being poor will now seem worse. To give them a taste of something better, then take it away, is not a nice thing.

Date: 2006-10-25 07:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] veri-of-remora.livejournal.com
your analogy made me lol XD

Date: 2006-10-25 08:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com
Hey now, no laughing! DRKs are emo~ ;)

Date: 2006-10-25 04:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] draymor.livejournal.com
Weeeeell, you know what they say about chocobos with bug noses... >:D

Sorry to hear about the abs-TP nerf... DRK looked almost fun to play with (again) for a few weeks. :(

Date: 2006-10-25 04:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com
Weeeeell, you know what they say about chocobos with bug noses... >:D

*rolls!*

And yeah. But luckily I don't do all that much on DRK anymore, and when I do use it it's just with friends. They'll still like me, even if I never get TP ever again! :P

Date: 2006-10-25 04:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kamalloy.livejournal.com
wat no tp?!?!?! OMG i hate u. u suk. loldrk.

Date: 2006-10-25 04:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com
Does this mean we're not on for hot hot hot sexx0ring tonight?

Date: 2006-10-25 05:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kamalloy.livejournal.com
No TP, no hawt luvin'.

(Oh god, now I'm remembering what happened at the end of Eco the other night with Aven's TP, and I'm trying my hardest not to start snickering.)

Date: 2006-10-25 05:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] draymor.livejournal.com
Oh now you got me going with all sorts of dirty analogy for "building TP" and getting "TP up" ><.
I hate you all.

Date: 2006-10-25 05:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com
:D *innocent*

*Absorb-TPs on [livejournal.com profile] draymor~*

Date: 2006-10-26 01:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] draymor.livejournal.com
Whoa! Hey! Most certainly not before dessert! D:

Date: 2006-10-26 02:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com
But after? {Ready to start skillchain!}?

Date: 2006-10-25 05:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com
So 300% = lovin' all night long~?

Date: 2006-10-25 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kamalloy.livejournal.com
Well, it tends to get burnt out in one WS.

But it's a really impressive WS.

Date: 2006-10-25 09:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com
*rolls* Are you coming on to me, Miss Cy?

Date: 2006-10-25 10:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kamalloy.livejournal.com
Coming onto you? Never. I'm just talking about weaponskills. Nothing more than that. O:)

Date: 2006-10-25 10:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com
Meeeeow! You and me, baby. Tonight!

Date: 2006-10-27 09:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kamalloy.livejournal.com
{I'm sorry. I'm busy now.}

Date: 2006-10-26 12:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] draymor.livejournal.com
Unless you're a SAM...

Date: 2006-10-25 04:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iniadelphinae.livejournal.com
I have to remind myself that digging is like crafting in that it's more of a gil loser than maker until you hit the top level. If, along the way, you stumble across a profit, great, but that won't be the norm. Just wish there was more information on whether my skill was leveling up as my chat screen fills up with "You dig and dig, but find nothing." or "Obtained: Pebble".

Gold ingot prices plummeting with the rest is depressing news. Haven't checked recently since I haven't been mining in a while.

Date: 2006-10-25 05:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com
I really, really don't understand why chocobo digging levels are hidden. And if so, why does something like fishing have its level show? (And I've long wondered if things like mining and harvesting have hidden levels, too.)

The other depressing thing about digging is that I haven't leveled up once since the nerf. How long was that ago? Like half a year? With me digging every single day (except last night). How will anyone get to be A10 anymore?

It really shouldn't annoy me as much as it does. It doesn't take much time to dig (and a little more time than that to mule/process the stuff), and you can still make a profit doing it... I'm just getting frustrated with it, I guess.

Date: 2006-10-25 06:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] genomeffxi.livejournal.com
Yeah I just had a scary thought a few weeks ago that maybe SE made it so you don't skillup on raised chocobos, you should be able to or course, why not, but with SE you never know o.O

Date: 2006-10-25 08:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com
That wouldn't surprise me, though I'm more suspect it was a bug. (Sort of like how rental birds would have the bore/burrow abilities...)

Date: 2006-10-25 05:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lokyst.livejournal.com
On choco raising, is it possible to raise a chocobo with under *checks* 5k gil per week?

I have no intention of trying to breed any special features so I don't need special kinds of food, but I imagine the medicine stuff could be a problem.

Date: 2006-10-25 05:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kamalloy.livejournal.com
Yes. I've fed my chocobo nothing but Gysahl Greens (available from stable vendors for ~67 gil per green) for his food, and I've gotten him up to Impressive strength and endurance. It's the care plans that make the most difference.

As for medicines, you can usually get Tokkopekko Wildgrass from LS people, and you can farm Gausebit Grass in Dangruf Wadi or Meri-whatsit Mountains. I haven't needed anything else.

Date: 2006-10-25 06:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lokyst.livejournal.com
:o

*abuses your knowledge of budget choco raising* Approximately how many carrots / greens will I need per week? (So I don't have to do too much muling etc.)

This is gonna a tough-loved, latch-key choco with single mom. XD

Date: 2006-10-25 06:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kamalloy.livejournal.com
As a baby, he could get by on one green per day. As an adolescent/adult, two per day. So seven/week for a baby and fourteen/week after that. I just buy a new stack of greens from the guy in the stables once I'm down to my last one of my current stack.

And yes, you actually do start making a tiny bit of a profit, or at least breaking even, once you hit adolescence. A lot of different care plan options open up then. I've had mine carrying packages almost exclusively since he got the option. It raises his strength and endurance and it nets me 100-200 gil per day (depending on how he did).

If he does get sick/injured, I'd suggest taking care of that rather than waiting. It does affect the effectiveness of the plans, and generally if you ask, several people in the LS will have the stuff handy.

Lovesickness, however, I just wait out. The only known cure for it is a very expensive crafted item. Pining doesn't seem to hurt him too badly. ;p You also won't see that until adulthood.

Date: 2006-10-25 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] loneguardian.livejournal.com
Carrots are completely optional, they're just tiny statboosts. :3 Sandy carrots are cheap and work well for most chocobos, and so do the vendortype greens that I can't spell. Chicks don't require the paste at all, it's just an extra perk, I guess. In total, if I used sandy carrots and gywhatever greens, it's cost me less than 200g a day to feed my choco as an adult, and they make more than that even on 'failed' job care plans. :3

Date: 2006-10-25 10:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com
My first bird had paste once (before I knew better), and my new bird never had it. They can indeed grow fine and dandy without it! :)

Date: 2006-10-25 05:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com
Believe it or not, once the bird reaches adulthood (um, day 29, I think) you can actually make a profit. A very small profit, but a profit.

I'm not sure how much the initial egg costs (1-2K I think), you can get it from the mithra child near the AH in the highest level of Jeuno. Once the chick hatches, you can raise it perfectly fine on greens bought from the NPC. 2 fills it up just fine, 3 makes it very full. If you get the greens from the vendor standing next to the stable, they cost about 62g each, I think. You can also feed Sandy Carrots, which also comes from a vendor.

When they reach adulthood, if their stats are high enough, they can earn 400g per day doing tasks. (Without high stats, they'll likely fail. You'll still get half the money though.) When they're teens, they can make 200 for a successful job/100 for failed.

If your chick happens to get hurt/sick, you can either just wait it out or ask one of us for some greens -- many of us have tons of them on hand. You don't need to check them every day (though it helps). There are care plans you can set.

The most expensive "med" (a salad, actually) is for love sickness, and costs about 100K. Almost no one uses those -- you can just wait it out as well.

Date: 2006-10-25 05:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lokyst.livejournal.com
If your chick happens to get hurt/sick, you can either just wait it out or ask one of us for some greens

I have a feeling my Choco will be receiving a lot of tough love. ;E

Date: 2006-10-25 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thistle-chaser.livejournal.com
Don't be afraid to poke if you need a Toko Green (the ones for when they're sick/injured). A lot of us have a lot of them on hand. (They're easy to grow, and a lot of us are still growing chocobo food/meds for profit.) We share 'em with LS folks. :)

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